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Shall we have an online meeting soon?

Please add ideas for agenda items.

If anyone is familiar with both Skype and Google hangouts, are there differences that may make one preferable over the other?

Not sure

i have no particular objection to an online meeting, but i'm not exactly sure what is to gain from it at the moment, that would not also be accomplished, perhaps with more thought, by posting ideas for discussion in the forums that folks can engage with at their own pace and schedule. either way i hope to see more of that, and i'm interested in a meeting if others are.

Thinking a talk would be a good addition

As far as an agenda I would like to discuss bringing more people into the fold, how, who, where, when.
It might be tough for all of us to be available for the same conversation considering our global spread.
Considering skype verse hangouts, I know hangouts can be made public on youtube if that is something we would be interested in. It can be publicly listed, or made available through a link only.

on More people

i added a forum topic http://www.liquidsolidarity.org/content/moving-forward with the intention of opening up part of that discussion. would it be easier to discuss in a live format, or are there ideas that can be added there as well?

format and timing

after some discussion, there is a general feeling by some that an online meeting could help produce a bit of vitality, and sense of solidarity in the current process of things. more on that discussion can be found in the link in the above comment, Moving Forward.

i have also had a meeting with some of the folks here in Seattle, and they are on board as well with doing so. since some of our meetings and the CWP discussions have had some separation i think it would be a great way to help connect that, too.

as far as formats go, my personal inclination is Skype, as i think it is probably the most familiar. as far as making that public or transparent, the entire conversation can be copy/pasted and posted. and/or it might be a good idea to decide on someone to be responsible for note-taking and translating that into a simple report.

one of the first things i’m going to do this week is create a method for uploading files. there may be questions after that on how to apply for different needs, but gthe functionality will be available. and, there may be a need to expand the ‘web development’ aspect and/or meetings otherwise into specific forum containers. all of which can simply use what is currently here and moved as needed.

the other question comes down to timezones and availability. we may not be able to get everyone interested into one slot. we may try doing a couple slots within a short period to help bridge that. as of now, perhaps we could use doodle.com to find the best availability, based on UTC.

on top of that, it would be helpful if everyone interested could check in here, so we can establish some preferences for making it happen.

invitation sent

i have sent an invitation to all members to check in here. it is possible messages can find there way to spam. good to know if everyone got that message, whether interested in a meeting or not, AND there may be need to use some personal emails if this has happened for those that would be interested, as well as resolve why messages get auto-placed in spam.

I think we have to decide

I think we have to decide what the meeting is going to be on,to start with.Is it taking LS to a whole new level? Or is it issue specific,like how to increase our reach?

I have used Hangouts only for chatting until now,so I am not sure how a live session would turn out.The free Skype service,again is a very irritating thing to deal with.The picture is very,very unclear.The sound is unclear,too.The call also tends to get disconnected.I think Hangouts is in that way,a better option.

Skype

You can use Skype also for a purely text-based group conversation – no sound, no video.

Text chat plus freedom

i imagined online meetings would be text based. audio or video will slow things down no matter what is used. i'm guessing many here already have skype accounts, and i've used it before with no problem when it comes to text with multiple people online with different server rates. if there's a general preference otherwise, we can all make other accounts but i seek the path of least difficulty.

as for what the meeting is for Titas, feel free to add what you might want to discuss so we can add it to the agenda. that was Lambert's initial request. some of my personal feelings can be found by looking through the forum on Moving Forward, but this remains open for what anyone wants to bring up ahead of time.

First meeting

Not sure what to add here. Maybe for the first meeting, saying hello and talking a little about the format and what might happen next?

why we might have an online meeting...and what to discuss

I think I would not be interested in a technical discussion of the site, as there are intros and a place to log questions or bugs found, etc. I would be interested though to hear some introduction from whomever is interested and available and is currently in the pilot project / kickoff phase of Liquid Solidarity; where you are based, what issues or groups or activities are of primary interest currently... also who we think might be good to invite to use LiqSol, and then strategically think of who we might not know but where to focus to have good representation and build participation here, using the tool in a variety of ways. What have you found here (or discussed with Alex perhaps in other ways not completely manifest here on the site) and perhaps already enjoyed here so far? what do people hope to gain from it and what possibilities do you see for it if given the wildest reaches imagined?
What do you want to know more about...? What gives you hope? What groups or endeavors in the political/cultural change arena have you felt were best learning experiences? What satisfied you the most and what actions do you think were most effective or successful in terms of what you hoped to get out of them -- or by surprise, through the informal interactions, friends made, etc. did you benefit in ways that were other than the expected or planned for ways? Ok, maybe that's a lot for one agenda, but my thoughts are generally to get acquainted.

why to have an online meeting...

to introduce who (from whomever is interested and available) is currently in the pilot project / kickoff phase of Liquid Solidarity; where you are based, what issues or groups or activities are of primary interest... and who we know of that might be good to invite to use LiqSol, and then strategically who we might not know but where to focus to have good representation and build participation here, using the tool in a variety of ways. When do we know when it's a good time to invite individuals and/or groups; do we need permission? How to do the inviting? What have you found here (or discussed with Alex perhaps in other ways not completely manifest here on the site) and perhaps already enjoyed here so far? what do people hope to gain from it and what possibilities do you see for it if given the wildest reaches imagined?
What do you want to know more about...? What gives you hope? What groups or endeavors in the political/cultural change arena have you felt were best learning experiences? What satisfied you the most and what actions do you think were most effective or successful in terms of what you hoped to get out of them -- or by surprise, through the informal interactions, friends made, etc. did you benefit in ways that were other than the expected or planned for ways? Ok, maybe that's a lot for one agenda, but my thoughts are generally to get acquainted.

Given the huge time

Given the huge time differentials to Australia and most of rest of world, will probably be nigh on impossible to find a good time that suits everyone with me included, so don't mind if I'm not included in this one. Would be good to get the results of the discussion though. Guess main point could be summing up and relating the previous CWP discussions/actions with LS and the future for both?

Online Meeting

I think an online meeting would be good as a way to connect and share thoughts and strategies. Skype chat would work for me. I haven't participated in a Google hangout but seen the footage - not sure what else to call it - after the fact and it seems to work relatively well for several participants in case we decide we want visual interaction. I would pick day and time based on when the most people are available.

Meeting......on WHAT?

Okay,so is it about how to steer the development of this site as a public portal? Skype would work for me I guess but I prefer Hangouts,it is easier.Though I have no experience of using hangouts for a video chat,I think it will be better because so have I heard.

I just read your comments now

I just read your comments now and I thought my last comment didn't even get posted.Poor me.Yes,text based anything is easy and will work for me.

Meeting the needs

I think we should rather talk on how to extend our reach.Unless we have people listening to us,for what are we here?I think building a reader base and deciding who we want to read our blog is a good way to start.Also,we might discuss on how to get OURSELVES more ORGANISED first.That is really important.

format choices

i don’t know if everyone here is using a gmail account, and Hangouts seems to either require that or some kind of extention using Chrome browser. maybe i’m wrong, but that seems unecessarily complicated for those using non-gmail and google+ stuff.

as for format being audio, video or text, i would still wonder about connection speed for various users. on top of that a video chat might just be awkward with a number of people. it’s easy enough in a face-to face environment but i don’t know how much it makes sense for this. text also allows us to create a report from a chat easier than trying to note-take on everything said.

why a meeting and what about

as i initially vocalized, i think some of the thoughts just raised here can easily be discussed in the forums in detail within anyone’s timeframe. but, the idea of online meeting has been raised by three members at this point so i put it out there to gauge the general interest. part of the reasoning seems to be just to gain a bit of meet-and-greet to say we’re all here working toward something, in a personal manner. to that intent, i might also just feel that getting everyone into this thread can help serve that purpose. Peter’s correct on the time differentials, and makes me wonder if the intent would be lost if we can’t all make it. not everyone has checked in yet, so it’s open for those to make a case for why a meeting would be important. other options might include doing multiple specific chats that include smaller numbers.

i would agree with Syd, that a chat specific to the tech side of things would likely not have a general interest, and also that the general trajectory is probably the fruitful focus. Peter mentioned also, relating the former CWP discussions with where LS is headed. all of this can also be discussed in the forums, Launch Plan being an area i started for some of that. i’ve made a few indications on my current thoughts as they are evolving on such trajectory, but haven’t laid out some kind of absolute plan.

as far as i perceive, there were a number of directions proposed on what a site like this could accomplish. and i think we can get to all those places over time. there was also a bit of a dreamlist of features, which is also something i think we can get to and then some. i have some thoughts on phases to get through, which i could discuss here or in another thread if we want to get into that more. but it takes people adding to, or adding topics for discussion.

however, since the primary topic is about a live meeting, i’ll just leave it at that, and leave it up to others to organize a live meeting if they feel it will help open up some possibilities.

getting more organized organically

well, i agree Titas with the need to establish some roles and responsibilities. right now, i think people are adjusting to this format as it is, and some of those roles are starting to emmerge. it’s an organic process that requires both commitment and patience. you are quite welcome to add some of your ideas in the current forums available and consider what kind of role you might want to play, or what you would like to get out of a site like this.

as for extending our reach, i think we need to work through some phases as i mentioned. we have a great group here and some pieces to put into place before we just try to invite the whole world in. for one, i would like to finish a few basics on the site that make it easier to invite people that understand we are in a building process, along with a couple added features that help make that useful. Fred will be helping me move the site development to Github for a better workflow on the tech side. as we move through some phases and consider some decision-making processes, i believe we can slowly open up invitations and build an atmosphere that can reach a much wider audience. but there’e plenty of work to be done.

minor tech thing on posting

i have noticed sometimes that when commenting in the forum threads, the comment may initially get placed somewhere above the chronology. not sure why, but it may be why a couple posters got confused thinking it didn't save. if you scroll up it's there, and if you refresh the page it will show up in the proper order.

Online meeting

I agree, it's a great idea for all of the reasons mentioned. I prefer Google hang outs, personally, I use it almost daily and I'm really comfortable using it. I'm not adverse to using Skype though if that's what you people want. I do think a voice/video/text meeting would be important in any form it morphs into. I think we need to build some trust between us. A lot can be misinterpreted in writing. It helps to hear people's tones. I also think it would help move along our agendas more quickly. It is sometimes hard for me to check in here. Something I was talking to Fred about (not sure if he already mentioned it) - having a daily meeting for a week, held at different times so all the worldly people could pick a time to check in and speak when it is convenient to their schedules. Thoughts?

alternative test

i installed a basic live chat thingy that is currently shown in the bottom right when you are logged in. there is a group chat you can click on, and the whole thing handles up to to ten people at a time. for allowing more people and and more chat rooms requires a paid plan. you will also right now see an option to click on "Chat Messages" that gives some kind of history. you can click on individuals that are logged in to open chats as well. i haven't played with the preferences at this point but if you find yourself online at the same time as another which you may notice in the left sidebar, try it out. maybe we can have a few conversations there and be able to keep a history. test it, see what it does, and it can be improved or seen as useless.

agree Claire about the difficulty of tone when it comes t trying to convey thoughts as we write and time gaps between, so the importance of building some kinship.

update on test

it's not perfect, but holds the option to have immediate chat when ever one is online. in addition, drupalchat saves those conversations here.

the functionality that should occur is when you click on "Chat Messages" currently placed in the upper right by account and such, that you get a list of your personal chats as well as the Group Chat. when clicking on you will get a history of that conversation. seems to be working just fine for personal chats for non-admins, but not giving a link for the Groups chat. that link to the group chat history is available to me as an admin and i just had an online conversation with a maintainer of the module about this. i won't bore you with the details, but while they one, have that functionality more available with a paid plan, and two plan to add it soon to the non, i can also likely create a page to replace their default.

that is, the link to those public chats are accessible if i post manually. so it's there, and there's ways to work with that. i had a little conversation with Colin using the format, and one thing that came out is simply setting up some time slots, which he'll post on.

if you happen to be online, try out the chat function at bottom right. personal one-on-ones should maintain a history for you. the public needs a link to look back to. i might consider the basic upgrade at 20 bucks a month at some point that allows multiple rooms.

so we can set some time slots, as well as just chat if you find yourself online at the same time, with a history that is accessible.

Both skype and google hangouts work for me

Both work for me. I think Skype's connection is a little more erratic. The downside of google hangouts is, I think, that everyone has to have a gmail account to participate. Not that they aren't easy to set up...but. That is the only real difference I can think of. Does anyone have much experience with group talks on Skype? I participated in a few on Google hangouts in the days of IOPS ( I think 5 people at the upper end one time) and it worked just fine once everyone understood to mute their microphones when not talking.

Skype experience

Last year I participated in about six group text chats on Skype with six to ten participants. I don't recall any problems.

One advantage of text is that latecomers can still catch up.

formal and just getting to know

my preference for more formal chats is Skype for a few reasons mentioned. and we can doodle schedule for that.

since i just added an instant chat option, i've had three conversations this evening that helped make a connection, so i'm leaving that there and looking into better ways it can be placed. i also upgraded to a basic plan which allows up to 60 members and unlimited chat rooms but have not yet gotten into the prefs. but i think it's kind of cool to just be able to chat for a moment if you find yourself there.

loving the progress of this conversation. smooches.

Possible times

I can send out a Doodle email when Alex gets me peoples' email addresses. (Looks like Skype has most interest.) In order to narrow down the Doodle options, it would be useful for me to get more feedback on possible times. Two options, if I'm not mistaken, that would seem to span the globe would be:

(1) 12 pm Saturday Seattle, 2 pm Saturday Chicago, 11 pm Saturday Turkey, 7am Sunday NSW, or
(2) 9 pm Saturday Seattle, 11 pm Saturday Chicago, 8 am Sunday Turkey, 4pm Sunday NSW

How would these work for people?

on doodle

Colin, does doodle require that you have other's emails first or is there an option to invite without, such as a link, that allows one to login and add themselves? thank you for starting that process, too.

Possible times for online meeting

I am fine with either of the day/time combinations. (1) 12 pm Saturday Seattle, 2 pm Saturday Chicago, 11 pm Saturday Turkey, 7am Sunday NSW, or 2) 9 pm Saturday Seattle, 11 pm Saturday Chicago, 8 am Sunday Turkey, 4pm Sunday NSW

Re: Possible times

Correction: 12 pm Saturday Seattle = 22 pm Saturday Turkey, and 9 pm Saturday Seattle = 7am Sunday Turkey.

12 pm Seattle is 1:30 am (next day) Balurghat, and 9 pm Seattle is 5 am (next day) London, so either time is not suitable for at least one potential participant – and all other time slots are also not universally suitable, unfortunately. We haven't heard from Zane, so for the first meeting I'd opt for 12:00 PST = 20:00 UTC.

The fact that no time is suitable for all potential participants while we don't want to exclude anyone means, IMO, that it will be important to keep readable and accessible records of (at least the major points of) the conversations.

1200 PST on most Saturdays but not Nov 21

I didn't find a link to a doodle poll and I'm not attached to participating in first meet-up but wanted to just say Saturdays @ noon in Seattle normally work for me.

doodle

on doodle, seem to recall a link to options is how i've been invited before, but that's up to Colin to lead at the moment. i don't think it requires having emails ahead of that.

suitable

agree Lambert about later access. i would suggest the implemented chat function, but it's not fully tested and as far as i can tell from some of my personal chat, can skip a comment in the history when two are adding at the same time. that history is accurate while keeping a window open but...

is there any major objection to using Skype, or an essential reason to use Hangouts instead?

Doodle link

OK, I feel I got enough feedback to narrow a Doodle poll down to 6 time slots, 3 on Saturday and the same 3 times on Sunday. (Of course, I don't want to exclude any one, so with more feedback the dates and times can be amended.) The times I choose were: 12:00 PST/ 20:00 UTC; 13:00 PST/21:00 UTC and 21:00 PST/05:00 UTC. Is this acceptable? Or should I add more times and dates?

http://doodle.com/poll/wkv2tffsryq5mwcq

utc

just to be clear, the times posted are UTC, correct?

can someone?

can someone post an easy link to translate the times posted from UTC to local, just to make it more accessible in that manner?

New Doodle link

Good point, Alex.I thought Doodle would automatically convert to local times and I guess it doesn't. So I redid the poll with enabled time-support-zones. This one should do the conversation. There should be a time-zone box for each participant just above the poll to check. (Mine says Pacific Time). (Sorry for the confusion - I've never used Doodle before). Same times as above (12:00 PST/ 20:00 UTC; 13:00 PST/21:00 UTC and 21:00 PST/05:00 UTC)

http://doodle.com/poll/ez3v227eaw2ere5h

thanks Colin

looks like that should work. very helpful with the added conversion assuming that's working for all. mine goes auto to PST as well. currently there are three people signed up. we also still need a final decision in the format. not far off as timing goes, but didn't hear response to the question, as there are some mixed personal preferences. Skype ok? major objections?

When is the meeting going to be organised?

No objections,only I have to get the app downloaded (my last laptop.......well you know what happened to him. :'( )
When is the meeting going to be organised? And I know I will be seeming stupid when I ask this but still,why is nobody willing to use IOPS anymore?

when?

thanks for the note on being ok with Skype. as for when, folks just need to use the Doodle link above to indicate availability so we can decide an official time. hope that makes sense.

and no, not a stupid question concerning IOPS, but i don't want to address that in this thread of that's ok.

Hangouts

i'm fine with hangouts too of course, if those signing up to meet would prefer. whatever is easiest.

Hey

Hey Thanks Colin for doing the legwork and setting up Doodle. I've added my availability.

hey

Have we decided on hangouts or skype?

Skype or Google Hangout?

I don't think we have made a decision yet.

I've never used Google Hangouts, so I can't make a recommendation based on use experience or features.

But Google Hangouts requires you (unless I'm mistaken) to have a Gmail account, which not everyone my want. So, unless someone who has experience with both can give an argument why Google Hangouts is better for us, I think we should go with Skype.

Of course, for Skype you also need to set up an account, but these are not so intrusively pervasive as the Google stuff.

Google v skype

If pervasiveness of intrusion is our concern then I would say Skype is probably better, of course google will probably still know, being that some of us will probably have enough google running in the background to provide them with that insight. One could make an argument that the pervasiveness of Google intrusion is probably certain and so using Skype will just be another set of eyes gathering our information. And of course it will all be being gathered by various governments no matter what for now, with these tools.
All of that being said I think Skype sounds good unless anyone has particular reservations against it. Google hangouts requires a Google acct

Spooks eavesdropping

Skype participates in PRISM. If you want a guarantee of no one uninvited listening in, both options stink.

I've used RetroShare, which uses strong encryption and is claimed to be safe from spooks eavesdropping (and is also recommended by PRISM Break). But unfortunately, it is somewhat clumsy to use, so I won't recommend it unless there is a strong need for secrecy.

Skype and Time Conclusions

no worries here about the intrusion factor. sounds to me there's no major objection to Skype, and some preference as well. i'm concluding we're using Skype unless someone tells me otherwise.

of the five people that have signed in for time slots, there is currently one available to all, so that's what i'm currently planning on. would seem the logical choice.

say nay if you disagree, or otherwise i will see you there.

time

Hey all, so are we by default meeting when we're all available? Would be Sunday 10pm Helsinki time for me.
Should we just search one another on skype?

Skype handle

My Skype handle is the same as here.

me too

Mine too. Just search Tasner Sam Curran. If that does not come up try Tasner Curran. I already send a request to you Lambert.

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